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  1. #76
    Originally Posted by bay4r View Post
    Please visit and explore these sites:

    http://pitchfork.com

    You're welcome.
    Oh gosh. The idolization of this website is so toxic.

    Look, I keep tabs on Pitchfork reviews, but the reality is that it's pretty shoddy journalism. The best thing I can say about it is that they sometimes point out some interesting references or history that I wouldn't have picked up on (the flip side being that sometimes the reviewer comes off like a total know-it-all twat while missing the mark completely). The quicker everyone learns to either ignore Pitchfork or accept it as the poorly written music blog (not journal) that it is, the better off music fans will be. To me, there's no way that anything good can come from one collection of amateur writers deciding the canon of music.

    Some words on how the website has grown and their ever-expanding, pervasive influence on the music industry, if anyone's curious

  2. #77
    Cheers for that link beekeeper, it was a very interesting read.

  3. #78
    I also wonder why users like bay4r are on this website. The clue is in the name.

  4. #79

  5. #80
    Originally Posted by Rhombus View Post
    Cheers for that link beekeeper, it was a very interesting read.
    yes, seconded

  6. #81
    This is such an awesome thread! I read the whole thing and enjoyed every bit with one notable exception. But even that business got people thinking (I think).

    My love of pop music has really defined my personality in the sense that I've always been very open about it and incredibly irked by and challenging towards music snobs. Even in high school I hung out with all the goths who listened to Skinny Puppy and Black Flag, and I dressed like them but would go on about Debbie Gibson. I've always felt like I was the real rebel because I was willing to flaunt music I actually liked instead of listening to and promoting music that I thought would make me look cool and rebellious.

    (And for this reason the music snobs at Pitchfork have always irked me as well. That Lana Del Rey review was the last straw for me. This site is kind of interesting too although more for the hipster or rock or alternative music listener:

    http://www.pitchforkreviewsreviews.com/

    As the name implies they review Pitchfork reviews. Beekeeper's post regarding Pitchfork is way more interesting though.)

    My being gay is obviously tied into my music choice as well, although I haven't always gotten along with all of the gay guys who like much of the same music I do. I guess I listen to the lyrics more often than a lot of them do and am very critical of it yet pretty defensive of it. What marie_05 mentioned about how someone could listen to something cheery because they're naturally cheery, or because they are naturally gloomy and need some cheering up, is very astute and I fall more into the latter category, or at least I don't put pop music on to be pleasant "background music," I really feel it. I think I have a way of listening to pop that is rooting for the underdog (as another poster put it) and that is something I think many gay men tend to do in their musical, film and celebrity tastes.

    Rock has always seemed aligned with the masculine and "serious" and pop with the opposite, and it frustrates me, especially when a woman I'm speaking to says she only listens to rock. I sometimes say "I don't like anything with a guitar in it" just to be provocative but actually I'm somewhat open...I like the Smiths!

    Finally...my love of pop music is somehow ironic and deadly sincere and earnest at the same time. I like the tension between those two points of view and wonder how I can hold both of them simultaneously. Somehow I do! And I think it's as much about how I like what I like as it is what I like particularly that says a lot about my personality.
    Last edited by chanex; June 21, 2012 at 04:00.
    Who's driving who crazy with a love that won't die?

  7. #82
    My music taste seems to change depending on the mood.... maybe that means I've got a split personality haha

  8. #83
    Originally Posted by chanex View Post
    This is such an awesome thread! I read the whole thing and enjoyed every bit with one notable exception. But even that business got people thinking (I think).

    My love of pop music has really defined my personality in the sense that I've always been very open about it and incredibly irked by and challenging towards music snobs. Even in high school I hung out with all the goths who listened to Skinny Puppy and Black Flag, and I dressed like them but would go on about Debbie Gibson. I've always felt like I was the real rebel because I was willing to flaunt music I actually liked instead of listening to and promoting music that I thought would make me look cool and rebellious.

    (And for this reason the music snobs at Pitchfork have always irked me as well. That Lana Del Rey review was the last straw for me. This site is kind of interesting too although more for the hipster or rock or alternative music listener:

    http://www.pitchforkreviewsreviews.com/

    As the name implies they review Pitchfork reviews. Beekeeper's post regarding Pitchfork is way more interesting though.)

    My being gay is obviously tied into my music choice as well, although I haven't always gotten along with all of the gay guys who like much of the same music I do. I guess I listen to the lyrics more often than a lot of them do and am very critical of it yet pretty defensive of it. What marie_05 mentioned about how someone could listen to something cheery because they're naturally cheery, or because they are naturally gloomy and need some cheering up, is very astute and I fall more into the latter category, or at least I don't put pop music on to be pleasant "background music," I really feel it. I think I have a way of listening to pop that is rooting for the underdog (as another poster put it) and that is something I think many gay men tend to do in their musical, film and celebrity tastes.

    Rock has always seemed aligned with the masculine and "serious" and pop with the opposite, and it frustrates me, especially when a woman I'm speaking to says she only listens to rock. I sometimes say "I don't like anything with a guitar in it" just to be provocative but actually I'm somewhat open...I like the Smiths!

    Finally...my love of pop music is somehow ironic and deadly sincere and earnest at the same time. I like the tension between those two points of view and wonder how I can hold both of them simultaneously. Somehow I do! And I think it's as much about how I like what I like as it is what I like particularly that says a lot about my personality.
    I think I love you.

  9. #84
    I don't know if music tastes say anything about your personality. I love Britney who is the poster girl for manufactured pop but I also love Fiona Apple and Regina Spektor equally as much. Maybe I'm just contradictory and contrary? I'm sure my boyfriend would agree!

  10. #85
    Originally Posted by MissGranolaSuicide View Post
    I think I love you.
    awww xoxo glad someone got something out of that diatribe!
    Who's driving who crazy with a love that won't die?

  11. #86
    bay4r
    Guest
    Originally Posted by beekeeper View Post
    Oh gosh. The idolization of this website is so toxic.

    Look, I keep tabs on Pitchfork reviews, but the reality is that it's pretty shoddy journalism. The best thing I can say about it is that they sometimes point out some interesting references or history that I wouldn't have picked up on (the flip side being that sometimes the reviewer comes off like a total know-it-all twat while missing the mark completely). The quicker everyone learns to either ignore Pitchfork or accept it as the poorly written music blog (not journal) that it is, the better off music fans will be. To me, there's no way that anything good can come from one collection of amateur writers deciding the canon of music.

    Some words on how the website has grown and their ever-expanding, pervasive influence on the music industry, if anyone's curious
    I remember reading this article, but it was interesting to read it again now. I agree with most of the points they make. P4k almost never review the songs or the actual album, but just make a cohesive story that's about the personal (rise) story of the artist/band or their previous efforts. It's ridiculous sometimes. Pitchfork is somewhat shit, but you have to agree that they do know what a good tune or a good album is. Sometimes they overrate stuff, but a well informed music fan can see through the bullshit. Thank you for sharing that link here and actually ''dissing'' me with knowledge instead of saying ''you suck'' or ''fuck pitchfork''. I appreciate it.

    Originally Posted by Rosalita View Post
    I also wonder why users like bay4r are on this website. The clue is in the name.
    Originally Posted by KhiaShamone View Post
    Urgh, fuck Radiohead.
    I do not appreciate this.

    And I guess neither did you guys of me coming here and bashing most of your opinions so I guess it's even now. Let's just leave it at that shall we? Reading back my posts, I tried way too hard to explain myself. I should've just said ''yes, it somewhat does'' and moved on (since this is not really my kind of forum/place anyway), but instead I spazzed out and defended myself like a madman. In the end, it got the thread going and I made people think so that was quite fun eh? OK.

  12. #87
    As a fan of The Last Word, I will conclude this with my point.

    Music says nothing at all about someone's personality whatsoever. This whole credibility thing is absoulute nonsense and I have 2 examples of this. Smells Like Teen Spirit by Nirvana was just Kurt Cobain playing around. He said that was trying to rip off the riff from More Than A Feeling by Boston (a POP/rock song) and also the lyrics are also said to be meaningless. Paranoid Android by Radiohead was also a joke despite being one of Radiohead's signature songs. What I'm saying is that no genre is more credible than the other and just because someone listens to K-Pop or Justin Bieber doesnt mean they have the personality of a pre-pubescent girl - thats extremely judgemental. Pidgeonholing in music is soo dull and I don't think someone can be analysed by the type of music that they listen to. If I listen to Odd Future, does that make me agressive and antagonistic. If I listened to Death Metal, would that make me sadistic? No.

  13. #88
    There was a news item about this subject today. According to a Dutch university, there is a link between music taste and personality/lifestyle. Brace yourselves:

    - If you listened to alternative music when you were a child, you probably have a criminal record now.
    - If you listened to Top 40 music when you were a child, you're probably squeaky clean.

  14. #89
    *squeaks*

    Haha.
    Eric's Generic World: http://ericsgenericworld.blogspot.com/

  15. #90
    But in the 90s alternative music was top 40 music. Confusion!

  16. #91
    I listened to a lot of heavy metal when I was a kid due to the fact my dad loved the likes of Iron Maiden does that mean I'm a Satanist?
    For ever and ever?

  17. #92
    Yes.

    Sinner repent!
    Eric's Generic World: http://ericsgenericworld.blogspot.com/

  18. #93
    Originally Posted by marie_05 View Post
    There was a news item about this subject today. According to a Dutch university, there is a link between music taste and personality/lifestyle. Brace yourselves:

    - If you listened to alternative music when you were a child, you probably have a criminal record now.
    - If you listened to Top 40 music when you were a child, you're probably squeaky clean.
    funny, that's almost the opposite of my experience growing up!

  19. #94
    I think it's bollocks, really. I mean, the Spice Girls couldn't exactly stop some of the people who were in my primary school class from ending up behind bars!

    It's funny how the presenter even said something like: "My daughter's idol is Rihanna, so I have nothing to worry about". Ha!

  20. #95
    Originally Posted by marie_05 View Post
    There was a news item about this subject today. According to a Dutch university, there is a link between music taste and personality/lifestyle. Brace yourselves:

    - If you listened to alternative music when you were a child, you probably have a criminal record now.
    - If you listened to Top 40 music when you were a child, you're probably squeaky clean.
    Nah the divide isn't between alternative and top-40, but mainstream (pop, classical, jazz) and non-mainstream (heavy metal, techno, punk).
    The media always make a black/white-thing out of this sort of research when the actual conclusions are of course far more nuanced.

    The point of the study here is that 12-year-olds who choose to listen to non-mainstream music are slightly more likely to have committed petty crimes when they're 16, compared to their mainstream music listening peers. The researchers underline that this doesn't mean anything for their behavior as an adult - the study has it's focus on adolescence.

    When you think about it that way it might make more sense; a teenager who is more rebellious when his or her taste in music is concerned is apparently more likely to be rebellious when rules and authority are concerned. I don't have a big problem believing that.

  21. #96
    ^ I've looked it up and you're right, it was blown out of proportion by the media. Makes more sense now.

  22. #97
    I listen to pop music because I'm popular.
    spice + kylie + shaki + brit + aloud + gaga + mdna
    www.girlsaloudkit.webs.com

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