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Well, I guess not, no. Still odd to see though. Next you'll see teen girls wearing their brightly coloured Primark tights, screaming along to Marilyn Mason on the back of buses.
Such a lovely thread. Reading everything back, my posts did have some flaws, but I don't regret a thing I've said, because I still think a music taste says a lot about someones personality. What I do know is that nobody can ever fully explain this topic. Good to know lots of people disagreeing with me though as expected. And to Mvnl, you and I are the same at festivals and clubs. I always feel so out of place there. That odd melancholic feeling. At least for me.
With "pop music on the side", I didn't mean it in a negative way like pop being a guilty pleasure or something, but I understand your point. It's my fault for putting it like that so I apologize. But just because Kelly Clarkson has a ''good'' singing voice (or stage presence yadayada) doesn't mean she is a good artist. That's like calling BSB or One Direction a good boy band! Don't even get me started on those UK girl groups *shivers*. There is no emotion in their singing whatsoever. It's fake. It's manufactured. It's transparant. Their lyrics aren't helping them either. No deep songwriting. If particular songs of these "artists" that are meant to be deep and personal (poor Rihanna being abused or poor Britney about paparazzi) are good emotional sounding music to you then we're totally different. Or you just haven't discovered good music yet? For example: Maybe you know how to sing, play instruments or write lyrics since you're in a METAL band, but anybody can do that. But not everybody is good at it right? Same with knowing what music is technically good sounding and what is bad. At least knowing that talent shows are garbage and scripted. By the way, those artists you've mentioned (except Radiohead, but I'm pretty sure you like their mainstream rock stuff like "Creep" or ''Karma Police'' more than their experimental albums which are obviously the better ones) are all fucking terrible. How the hell is Radiohead the ''done'' thing anyway? And you're in a METAL band? Oh dear. Please visit and explore these sites:Originally Posted by citoig
http://pitchfork.com
http://tinymixtapes.com
You're welcome. And about your personality. I can't give you a run-down (I confess another flaw in my previous posts so I apologize), but I'm sure I wouldn't bother talking to you anyway if I heard you listening to 2NE1. I don't want to bring the age thing up, but seriously... are you like a 15 year old girl or something? Do you even understand what they're singing about? And if you do, aren't you tired of the same old overproduced detailed beats mixed with those cute voices singing shallow lyrics. Can you even listen to them without watching their high budget videos and uber cool choreography? Don't even get me started on the ''herpaderpin srss muziak'' side of the K-Pop world where people die or get hurt just for the sake of being serious. Please. You're also proud of a cover you've made of a song that isn't even remotely good. The fact that you even think that talent shows are producing (read: PRODUCING) decent *gasps* singers/bands made me laugh. Well maybe not that. Just a silly grin. I really should've explained the whole ''listen to more genres'' thing better, but people like you (the majority) wouldn't understand it anyway so I can't be arsed. You can listen to more genres like you did on that day as long as you want, but it wouldn't make a damn difference if it isn't good music to begin with bro.
But let's end it like this: Music is only subjective, every piece of music is apparently good, bad music doesn't exists, and every kind of music brings people happily together to live life to the fullest! Yes! Citoig, I'm deeply sorry if I annoyed you with my posts. To let it all out, maybe you can cover a deep Nickelback/Linkin Park/Girls Aloud song with your METAL band, because those music acts sound the same as Tatu.
Shit.
Last edited by bay4r; May 14, 2012 at 00:11.
Oh dear. Sigh.
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Indeed, Eric, indeed. Well, actually my intitial reaction was slightly stronger, but sometimes it's obvious reasoned argument isn't the way to go.
Still, I'm amused that after I made fun of Pitchfork, it's given as an arbiter of taste.
The stuff I listen to is generally either 80s - early 00s pop, or Palm Desert stoner bands. Most of my group of friends will listen to metal, and I love a lot of those bands, like Dark Castle, and Electric Wizard. There is not a human being on this planet who loves Queens of the Stone Age more than I do (seriously), but I am equally a ridiculously huge Backstreet Boys fan, and I'll dance like a bitch to Peaches, The B-52's, New Kids on the Block, etc. I take pop seriously because I see no reason not to.
I went to see Radiohead when I was 13 and cried when they played Pyramid Song. True story. Am I HIP bay4r??
Originally Posted by bay4r
Wowzers.
Anywaaaaaay..
I think music can tell you something about peoples personalities insomuch as it can be used as a form of non-verbal communication in the same way as clothes can. This is particularly common when people are younger or looking for a partner as it can be an easily recognized way of being demonstrative about who you are / want to be and the people you want to bond with. It can be shorthand for certain lifestyle choices or belief systems and is a common way that people bond.
However, for me personally this has lessened as I've got older and my need to find a 'pack' has decreased. These days I just like what I like mostly, although I think the things that I LOVE probably do say something about me, or who / where I have been throughout my life..
That doesn't mean for a moment that you can't bond or communicate with people outside of those passions, just like any other aspect of life like religion, class, sexuality etc..
Oh well. I tried. Like I said, you guys wouldn't understand it anyway. Still a lovely thread though. And invertedbutterfly, the only reason you diss sites like p4k is because you and the rest of the (sometimes delusional) pop community know that they're mostly right and a credible source. You guys just don't bother exploring it, because it's not as friendly and favorable like PJ is (or other pop sites). They don't even review most of the albums that are in PJ's year-end lists or have news articles about irrelevant singers like Alexandra Burke or Nicola Roberts. Get my point? Still, they're very pop friendly except there is a catch. They like quality music. But it's fine. Agree or disagree, I'm having the last laugh either way. Keep on sighing bro.
Yes. Yes you are. I'm sorry, but what exactly did my essay (lol I mean previous posts lol) got to do with being hip? Listen to whatever the fuck you want, but if a question like this topic pops up then you know you're going to get people like me trying to explain why they think that music definitely says something about someones personality. I'm the only one that has said yes so I just felt like typing. Good to know BSB fans still exists. I liked them when I was... 10. That spaceship music video was my favorite. Why bother growing up right? I'm a huge fan of nostalgia as well, but you won't see me listening to freaking Aqua or Toy-Box anymore (hurray for being a 90's kid).Originally Posted by oliviaxmae
Off-topic: Perhaps some of you think what the fuck I'm doing here right? Does this bay4r even listens to pop? Well yes. In fact two artists. I like Lady Gaga (TFM & BTW) and I'm a Madonna fan (only Pre-Evita i.e. not Ray of Light and the 00's garbage). These are the only pop artists (ignoring pop bands for obvious reasons) that gets it just right in pop music. They really do. I have a pretty odd alternative/experimental taste, but these are the two woman in pop that even move me with their songs just like my favorite bands do. Bands like Radiohead, Deerhunter, My Bloody Valentine, The Horrors, Joy Division, The Smiths, Crystal Castles, Interpol, Sonic Youth, The Cure, Animal Collective, Salem, The Jesus and Mary Chain, Velvet Underground to name a few. Fyi, these are all established and well respected bands. And you guessed it. The fact that I like Gaga is because she is the only artist that is the most Madonna-esque artist since Madonna has become a household name, so not because she is a save option or whatever. Plus her music output is far more interesting than, for example, Katy Perry or Rihanna. I also love following pop culture and the history of pop culture. So please don't think I'm trolling or annoying you guys on purpose. I meant everything I've said so far.
We're gonna have to agree to disagree about the age limit on pop thing.
It irks me in a similar way as people saying animated movies are only for children.
I'm all for people growing up and developing their taste, but that doesn't necessarily mean you have to stop enjoying things you liked before. Adults go to amusement parks, despite being able to enjoy the occasional museum as well, adults laugh at comics, despite reading literature as well, adults go to McDonalds, despite being able to cook 4 course diners, adults laugh at Scary Movie, despite having developed some form of intelligence since they were 4.
And although I'm not a fan of all the things I mentioned I can't say one form of entertainment is neccesarily better or worse than the other. It all depends on what you want to get out of it. Some people want to be moved, others want to relax, others just want something to cheer them up or make them dance.
Now if we were talking Teletubbies or Pokemon here, I could kinda see the age thing. (Although even then I still hate the very concept that your age, sex, skin color, or whatever 'defines you' would determine what you can and can't like. I can very well decide myself what I do and don't like myself, and I definitely wouldn't want to hang out with a person who lets their taste be influenced by what society has decided is okay for them to like)
Originally Posted by bay4r
It's not really what you say so much as the way you say it. I did in fact actually also say that music does or at least can say something about your personality. I don't however think its necessary to blanket insult the members of the forum while I do it. I'd list you some of my not-just-pop taste but I'm sure that nothing meet your exacting standards of 'quality music'.
Oh, and I want to hear that metal Tatu cover please.
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It's really not necessary to talk down to anyone here, and patronise us by implying we don't even know who some of those bands are.
But if the only visited parts of PJ to someone are the Madonna, Gaga and Rihanna threads, then failing to understand the full range of people who post here is inevitable.
This was a great idea for a discussion. Let's keep it that way.
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One thing I suppose it can say about personality is... well, I don't like people who write off an entire genre. There are always exceptions. It might not be worth exploring for you, but if you look hard enough there is something good in everything. Perhaps not in every single song, maybe not even in every artist's discography, but things like 'classical music is boring', 'house music is just noise' or 'all pop is cheesy' definitely rub me the wrong way, and I do think the people saying stuff like that are showing a little bit of their general attitude to things they might not like or agree with there.
That's the problem.Originally Posted by bay4r
My music taste means I'm a flaming homosexual, not that I give a fuck.
I know somebody who is forever going on about having THE best taste in music (a load of bands I've never heard of) and it just pisses everyone around him off. I think it's insisting on music relating to a personality that tells you the most about a person, not the music itself.
Ok so maybe it's less the music you like that defines your personality, but more to do with how you 'act' regarding the music you like? someone who claims to be an uber cool hipster and lists off all these bands who no-one has heard of probably uses music to try and appear cool and better than other people but actulaly loves Steps. Another fan who is a Steps fan and proud of it is very open and doesn't hide who he is. So essentially, they both like the same music but approach it in different ways.
Exactly!
As has been vividly shown in this very thread.
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I think my personality matches my music taste. That might have to do with me liking artist that have similar personalities to me though.
Also, people can like the same artist for different reasons. For example, if two random people like the Spice Girls, one might have a very gloomy personality and could listen to them to be cheered up, while the other is very cheerful and just wants fun songs that are suited to his/her mood.
It would be great fun to take part in an experiment like this: put a person in a room with some random strangers for an hour, let them chat about some non-music-related subjects and then let them guess the person's favourite act when the time is up. I'd be really curious how far off they would be in my case!
Wow, somebody's a snob.Originally Posted by bay4r
I'm not even going to bother commenting on all the different points you've made in this thread cause I'd just end up getting even more annoyed.
I just wanted to point out the following things:
- To me it feels really hypocritical for you to say "But Lady Gaga and Madonna are ok!". They're not doing anything different than other pop acts. Their music is also made of the "overproduced detailed beats" you mock other acts for, sometimes they co-write or write their own songs, but just as well they have some of their songs handed to them. They are the perfect examples that it takes craftmanship from the songwriter (be it the singer themselves or a professional one) to make a brilliant "fun" song. They're not doing anything else than other pop acts, they just (arguably) do it better.
- You say Radiohead's experimental albums are better than their mainstream ones. How can you not see that in pop it works the same way? You have a scope of quality, from brilliantly made pop to cheap "this'll do" pop. No, wait, you're probably just going to say your "proper" music is "more and less better" and pop is "more and less shit". Nevermind.
- There's tons more I want to say, but I'll save myself the annoyance of having to read through your posts again, except for this last point. Why is writing your own music such a big deal? You don't see people saying "Ugh, Meryl Streep is the worst, she didn't even write her own lines for The Iron Lady!" Pop songs are written by professional music writers and sung by professional singers, I fail to see why a track becomes "worse" because someone else is singing it? Oh, sorry, I keep forgetting, it's shit either way because it's pop. If your argument is that a singer cannot put emotion in a song unless they've written it themselves then you've been listening to some really poor "proper" singers.
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The good thing about this thread is that it reminds me (a) how important this place and what it stands for is, and (b) how great I think (many of) its users are.
Which is not a bad lesson, regardless of the circumstances.
Well done, you lot.
The reason why I said "YES" is because I really think my music taste says everything about my personality, but I can't explain it. So I guess only we could really answer this question for ourselves which brings this topic to a close. At least for me. And don't judge me by my posts. They're nothing at all.
Yeah about that. I don't really get the insulting or even talking down on people part that I also got in the other threads. I even got warnings and text edits. It's humor really. Why would you take anyone on the internet that seriously anyway. You don't see me calling people the c-word etc. Lighten up mods. Next time, I will post something like ''sigh'' with no explanation at all or dissing certain websites that are commonly hated by most of the community anyway so it's natural to do it. That a boy!Originally Posted by Eric Generic
Also, I'm not new here. I just never bothered to register.
Your avatar.Originally Posted by HYSTERIA
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Team Toy-Box!!
"Sometimes I hate myself for wanting you, but then you only have to say you love me to make it worth it..."
Avatar rebuttals, really? Oh dear.
Yeah, I was just thinking about this aspect of it...so, if if someone likes confrontational music, for instance, that doesn't automatically mean they have that kind of personality. They could be listening to it for any number of reasons, and getting something from it which isn't necessarily "this speaks exactly to who I am". My favourite record at the moment is Plan B's Ill Manors, and I just got all the My Bloody Valentine reissues. You could make any kind of deductions from that, but what it doesn't say is my favourite band ever are The Blue Nile and I have all the Sarah Brightman albums on CD. It's such a complex, and fascinating thing, music taste. Because, by and large, everyone's personality is complex. Even the rock music snobs!Originally Posted by marie_05
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That's another very good point.
Musical taste is not easy to define (I mean there's people who love a particular genre yet can't stand one or two bands within the genre, while others might like the same genre and have them as favourites), and personalities aren't exactly easy to put in boxes either.
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