General Single Rate Discussion, Questions, and Suggestions (Part 2)

[EARGASM!]

My body is ready for the Beyoncé rate. Slathering up with cocoa butter and Motions hair lotion right now.

[marie_05]

I don't mind doing the Spice Girls rate I was quite the fan back in the day.

Amazing! Scoring the songs will not be easy, though. ALL of the singles from the first two albums were perfect pop songs. Even Mama.

[jinzo]

Right! With the Britney videos rate a few days away from finishing, I'm trying to work out which rate to give the go-ahead when it does...

jinzo's Gaga videos rate is first in the queue, but I'm guessing you're not going to want to run another straight away (and you're also next in the versus queue!)? And SophiaSophia is preparing another rate as I write this, so I'm guessing you're not going to want to run your Kylie videos rate at the same time?

Haha yeah, they've all come at once! I think I'd like to take Gaga videos and then leave my versus rate sitting in the queue a bit longer?

[Mr Telephone Man]

I think a GaGa rate is so pointless, she has like 10 videos and Bad Romances overrated ass will win, while Chllin sits in last place, haha.

[3Xs]

I think a GaGa rate is so pointless, she has like 10 videos and 9 of them look the same

[invertedbutterfly]

Haha yeah, they've all come at once! I think I'd like to take Gaga videos and then leave my versus rate sitting in the queue a bit longer?

Sure thing. In that case, feel free to start the Gaga videos rate in your own time.

I think a GaGa rate is so pointless, she has like 10 videos and 9 of them look the same

Well, at least it will be over quickly then?

[jinzo]

I'd hope Telephone gives it a run for its money! Don't worry, I'll be stanning for Eh, Eh as much as you will, T Man...

[Fire]

Telephone's video is horrifically bad. So many cringeworthy moments.

[catcloneflowncondo]

Can we create some sort of rule when it comes to throwing out scores? I didn't want to bring all the crazy to this thread too, but I think it needs to be done. I would be ok with the rule being "Don't get rid of scores you don't like."

[Jordananan]

How about the rule be "The person running the rate has the responsibility to do what they like, and if you don't like it fuck you then simply don't participate."

Which is the general rule now. Let's not have rules and regulations to this, please.

[3Xs]

How about the rule be "The person running the rate has the responsibility to do what they like, and if you don't like it fuck you then simply don't participate."

Which is the general rule now.

It is? I thought the person running the rate was just supposed to calculate the scores and announce the results? Going by this logic we might as well allow score tampering just because the person running the rate doesn't agree with a particular score.

[Jordananan]

How about the rule be "The person running the rate has the responsibility to do what they like, and if you don't like it fuck you then simply don't participate."

Which is the general rule now.

It is? I thought the person running the rate was just supposed to calculate the scores and announce the results? Going by this logic we might as well allow score tampering just because the person running the rate doesn't agree with a particular score.

Yeah, but do we have someone going in and checking that they're not tampering? It's down to trust in that one person. I'm basically saying let it run like it is. Why change everything because of a blowout in one rate? One that has people fighting both sides and has reasoning on both sides? There'd be a problem if the person in charge of the rate was clearly removing scores on their own accord, without any reasoning.

[3Xs]

There'd be a problem if the person in charge of the rate was clearly removing scores on their own accord, without any reasoning.

Well that's your argument, isn't it? "If you don't like it fuck you and simply don't participate", right? Doesn't seem very reasonable to me.

[RJF]

I think there was probably a better way of handling it, but I also think that rating three albums around the same and then slaughtering the fourth album is so stupid. I'm sure we've all rated stuff that we hated in one of these games, but even albums I despised ended up not doing too terribly. To sweep nearly an entire album with the exact same score is a bit suspect, not to mention lazy, regardless of said score being high or low. I mean, was there really no difference in quality between all ten of those songs? I don't think so.

[3Xs]

Don't know about anyone else but I can think of quite a few albums which are just about uniformly terrible. The problem with doing these "versus" rates is there's likely to be a huge gap between people's opinions of the different artists. You rarely ever see this issue pop up in rates for just one artist.

[Mvnl]

Don't know about anyone else but I can think of quite a few albums which are just about uniformly terrible. The problem with doing these "versus" rates is there's likely to be a huge gap between people's opinions of the different artists. You rarely ever see this issue pop up in rates for just one artist.

That's true. I do think the gap often is more due to people rating the artists than the actual songs though.

[3Xs]

Don't know about anyone else but I can think of quite a few albums which are just about uniformly terrible. The problem with doing these "versus" rates is there's likely to be a huge gap between people's opinions of the different artists. You rarely ever see this issue pop up in rates for just one artist.

That's true. I do think the gap often is more due to people rating the artists than the actual songs though.

I can defintiely see that happening, which is why the verses rates are always the most volatile. Guess it can't be helped. The very nature of "versus" implies some sort of battle or showdown. I think people need to keep that in mind.

[Jordananan]

There'd be a problem if the person in charge of the rate was clearly removing scores on their own accord, without any reasoning.

Well that's your argument, isn't it? "If you don't like it fuck you and simply don't participate", right? Doesn't seem very reasonable to me.

Not really, you're reading me wrong. We're just gonna be arguing in circles, because we believe different things. I'm just saying, in a very bad way, how these rates are run now, and they're run fine. Nothing needs to change.

Don't know about anyone else but I can think of quite a few albums which are just about uniformly terrible. The problem with doing these "versus" rates is there's likely to be a huge gap between people's opinions of the different artists. You rarely ever see this issue pop up in rates for just one artist.

So you honestly see nothing wrong with giving almost an entirety of an album 1's? Or with how they may affect a rate? They don't appear for the most part in rates for one artist because you don't find people that dislike that artist participating in that. With numerous artists, you'll find someone who has an illogical hatred for a certain artist, and can't bring themselves to give a proper score. Sure its not fair to disregard their votes, but it's also not fair on every other person that enters the rate.

[RJF]

The very nature of "versus" implies some sort of battle or showdown. I think people need to keep that in mind.

And I think people should also keep in mind that it's not meant to be a stan war either.

[Coping With Senility]

There'd be a problem if the person in charge of the rate was clearly removing scores on their own accord, without any reasoning.

Well that's your argument, isn't it? "If you don't like it fuck you and simply don't participate", right? Doesn't seem very reasonable to me.

Not really, you're reading me wrong. We're just gonna be arguing in circles, because we believe different things. I'm just saying, in a very bad way, how these rates are run now, and they're run fine. Nothing needs to change.

Don't know about anyone else but I can think of quite a few albums which are just about uniformly terrible. The problem with doing these "versus" rates is there's likely to be a huge gap between people's opinions of the different artists. You rarely ever see this issue pop up in rates for just one artist.

So you honestly see nothing wrong with giving almost an entirety of an album 1's? Or with how they may affect a rate? They don't appear for the most part in rates for one artist because you don't find people that dislike that artist participating in that. With numerous artists, you'll find someone who has an illogical hatred for a certain artist, and can't bring themselves to give a proper score. Sure its not fair to disregard their votes, but it's also not fair on every other person that enters the rate.

Who are you to say that how people rate music (which is SUBJECTIVE) is illogical and improper? By that logic, anybody who gave most songs on that Miley album a 9 must also be being tactical and unfair. It's called a person's opinion, and poshlopez's opinion is that Can't Be Tamed is a terrible album. And that opinion is as valid as any other.

[3Xs]

So you honestly see nothing wrong with giving almost an entirety of an album 1's? Or with how they may affect a rate? They don't appear for the most part in rates for one artist because you don't find people that dislike that artist participating in that. With numerous artists, you'll find someone who has an illogical hatred for a certain artist, and can't bring themselves to give a proper score. Sure its not fair to disregard their votes, but it's also not fair on every other person that enters the rate.

Then why hold such a rate in the first place? A "versus" singles rate is inherently going ask the participants to make some sort of comparison between the competing works at hand. Not to mention the albums being pitted against each other in some of these rates are rather arbitrary, and the likelihood of everyone liking every album in such a case is highly improbable.

And to answer your question - no, I don't think there's anything wrong with giving an entire album a score of 1's, the same way I don't think there's anything wrong with giving an entire album a score of 9 or 4 or 8 or 10.

[Itty Bitty Piggy]

I can't be arsed to get into this, but it annoys me when people try to defend themselves being immature.

If someone thinks one of the albums is the worst thing they've ever heard, then why take part in that particular rate.

If you're a troll, just fucking accept and embrace it. But be prepared to face the consequences.

[3Xs]

If someone thinks one of the albums is the worst thing they've ever heard, then why take part in that particular rate.

I don't see anything wrong with that in the case of a versus rate. What if the person likes the other albums presented but just not the one? Maybe then people should be told to only vote for the albums they like? That way, each album can have their scores averaged individually, while still allowing everyone to participate if they wish. (Although, that would make it impossible for the person running it to break ties and such if each album has a different number of voters participating).

[jinzo]

Personally, I think the rule should just be "don't be a dick".

We could run the mill of this argument day and night and never reach any kind of conclusion, but essentially I just think someone who is fully prepared to hand out 1s and 0s needs to understand the full effect beyond what they feel about the album in question, and whether they truly think it's fair to every other participant who wants a competitive, entertaining and closely-matched rate rather than a washout.

[invertedbutterfly]

Personally, I think the rule should just be "don't be a dick".

Indeed.

(I realise I should probably make sure I follow all the singles rates so when discussions like this happen, I have some idea of what people are talking about).