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Marketing and people's perception of personality are often influenced by race whether conscious or not.Originally Posted by Cathal
Another 'why is this song only a bonus track?!' post but seriously, when I played the whole album the other day (which didn't get logged on last.fm, annoying) I was waiting for the high point of Beating Still. Epic.
That's because those that are uncomfortable discussing these matters always willfully miss the point and start substituting the word 'racist' for 'racial'.Originally Posted by Itty Bitty Piggy
As long as this debate has been going on I haven't heard a single person blame Alexandra's lack of success on racism. Nobody is suggesting that people don't buy her records because she's black. The simple fact which so many refuse to accept is that there are racial elements that contribute to the way in which people perceive her.
Teenldle's extremely detailed and eloquent posts have endeavoured to explain this situation, but as usual there are people who simply don't want to try and understand his nuanced argument. They feel much more comfortable just dumbing the conversation down to a simple charge of racism which it never what it has been about.
Last edited by Baby Clyde; September 04, 2012 at 23:28.
Check you lipstick before you come and talk to me.............. Let's go Zi Lin!!!
This thread is so much like Alexandra. It needs to get back to the music!
But anyway, the Alan Titchmarsh interview, on right now, is so ironic. He's asking her for tips for people who want longevitiy. She looks a little like Beyonce!
A huge lynch mob, made up entirely of white supremacists stoned them and chased them out of the country.Originally Posted by mump boy
"Ardent Rihanna mud-slinger"
I'm not familiar with a lot of people on that list but, of the one's I do know, there's one familiar characteristic (other than them being dark-skinned): they all have extremely dislikable personalities. Alexandra, Jamelia, Ms Dynamite, Beverly Knight, and Estelle all come across as very arrogant and entitled; and I think when the general public can no longer identify with you as a person then they have little enthusiasm for identifying with your music. The two go hand-in-hand.
Jamelia has never come across as 'entitled' or arrogant. Do me a favour.
The poster formerly known as UnderPressure.
Do me a favour and watch thisOriginally Posted by Mikal
Is this a joke ? the irony is unbelievableOriginally Posted by DarkGreyTShirt
She comes across as a very beautiful, eloquent, self depricating, BLACK woman. If all you can see is 'entitled' or 'arrogant' you have just proved the point that some of us have been making.Originally Posted by DarkGreyTShirt
Is this serious?Originally Posted by DarkGreyTShirt
She seems lovely to me...
The only explanation is that it's some kind of post modern parody, just to prove what we've been saying all along !!Originally Posted by Resi12
HAHAHa.Originally Posted by Mushroom3
10 Characters.
What's wrong with Jamelia in that interview? I don't get it.
Maybe she should go beat up some old ladies so she could become white England's sweetheart ~
And with this single post you have made our point for us.Originally Posted by DarkGreyTShirt
Check you lipstick before you come and talk to me.............. Let's go Zi Lin!!!
Estelle, yes, she does strike me as a nasty piece of work, but come on Beverley Knight? She's one of the loveliest down to earth singers I've ever seen.
As for Jamelia, what was arrogant about that?
Last edited by The Visitor; September 05, 2012 at 00:37.
Hmmm well I think you're mis-understanding people's reactions. The problem with Teen Idle's argument is it isn't nuanced at all. It's a very complicated argument to create a very black and white conclusion. And I think people's issue is the myopia of it all where all other factors are ignored.Originally Posted by Baby Clyde
Like I've said before I agree that Alex has to work harder because of her colour because the area of media she inhabits makes their money from advertising to young girls in a country where the biggest demographic of young girls are white. There is less of an incentive for mags to feature Alex, for radio to champion her, for record companies to push her when Cheryl, Pixie, Cher bring in all that cosmetic industry advertisers money.
Also of course it's true people have stereotypes and expectations of people based on who and what they are.
However this argument seems to be about Alex's career stalling because there is this disproportionate amount of hatred from people towards her. And I question if this is true. I don't see where this 'disproportionate' hate is. I think a few circumstances have created this myth that Alex is a pariah when she isn't.
And therefore you're arguing the theories behind a state of thinking that doesn't exist.
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